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I seriously dislike the idea of female "Pastors". I've been contacted several times by females claiming to be "Pastors" and they don't take it too well when I tell them the Bible forbids such things. Women cannot teach men.

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." 1 Corinthians 14:34-35

"Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." 1 Timothy 2:11-12

Now I know some of you think that the above post may imply that I think males have a right to mistreat females. That simply is not the case and nothing could be farther from the truth. Men are NOT supposed to abuse their authority. The Bible says as follows.

Ephesians 5:25-33;

Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as Christ the church; For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

Colossians 3:19;

Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.

Do you women have a place? Yes, but it is not the place of a man. That's all I'm getting at.

Indeed,

Woman are forbidden from being teachers in the church and prohibited to ursurp authority over men in general. Naturally, this means that husbands are to love their wives as themselves (being one); "The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife (1Co 7:4)."

In today's age the enemy tries to make everyone seem 'equal' the Bible still teaches; "For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing (Eph 5:23-24)."

Your question is great and I'll be covering this theme in greater depth (this Sunday) in the second part of Be Ye Holy.

You might also be interested in the audio file for Let Love Continue @

http://www.covenantpeoplesministry.org/ ... ntinue.mp3 (Right Click & Save Target As...)

Under the Blood,

True that. I still like having fellowship with women tho. They can still lead prayers, help out, and encourage I believe but not leading a church.

Wasn't there Dianic and Aphrodite cults highly present in both Corinth and Ephesus? Is that why these scriptural restrictions put in place?

What about Deborah the Judge (Judges 4 and 5) and Lydia? (Acts 16: 14-15)?

Jesus says no!

E.Nygma wrote:What about Deborah the Judge (Judges 4 and 5) and Lydia? (Acts 16: 14-15)?

Uh, what about them?

E.Nygma wrote:What about Deborah the Judge (Judges 4 and 5) and Lydia? (Acts 16: 14-15)?

Deborah was a so called judge not a teacher of scriptures to men. Prophetess in the Hebrew tongue means "a poetess or prophet's wife." Lydia did as Paul told her which included not teaching men the scriptures and opened her house to men of God, just like Rahab the harlot.

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 1Ti 2:12

You wimpish men never stop

Ex-televangelist at center of DHS controversy dies
By DAVID HARPER / 1/18/2008



Martha "Vicki" Peterson -- an evangelist who once had a daily television show broadcast from Tulsa but whose later years were the subject of controversy -- died Wednesday night. She was 71.

Peterson was a regular guest on Christian television shows in the 1970s and '80s. In 1982, her one-hour show, "Vicki Live," was broadcast from Tulsa.

Peterson's half-sister, Julie Avary, said Thursday: "She was one of God's special angels. She was just like a shining light. When she left, a bright light left this world."

Peterson's sister-in-law Donna Smith of Canton, Texas, said Peter son was a "vibrant person. She was always the life of the party. She was outgoing and loved people."

Smith said that made the circumstances of Peterson's later years all the more tragic.

The Oklahoma Department of Human Services took custody of Peterson on July 20, 2005, in an emergency guardianship, records show.

State law allows DHS to take guardianship of vulnerable adults through a court case supervised by a judge.

A relative of Peterson's had called DHS after noticing that Peterson was sleeping for all but a few hours every day.

Tulsa County Special Judge Sarah Day Smith found Peterson's husband, Carl R. Peterson, in indirect contempt of court twice in 2006, records show.

The judge ordered Carl Peterson to wear an ankle monitor briefly and to remain at least a half-mile away from his wife.

Smith later ruled that Carl Peterson -- the former medical director for Brookhaven and Doctors hospitals and a former president of the Tulsa Psychiatric Society -- had violated the distance requirement four times.

Wendell Clark, Carl Peterson's attorney, said Thursday that all of the supposed violations were inadvertent.

Still, Smith sentenced Carl Peterson to six months in jail, with all but 10 days suspended. She delayed sentencing on a second contempt conviction.

Carl Peterson was booked into jail March 8, 2006, and released the same day, records show.

The Oklahoma Court of Civil Appeals ruled in May, however, that Smith erred in holding Carl Peterson in indirect contempt of court without allowing him a jury trial in which guilt would have to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Clark said Thursday that medical evidence shows that Carl Peterson never harmed his wife.

Judy Upjohn, who looked after Vicki Peterson for the last 2-1/2 years of her life, said it was "heartbreaking" to watch her friend's demise.

Still, Upjohn said, Peterson maintained a positive attitude until the end and never failed to express her "gratefulness to God and her friends."

Upjohn said Peterson "made a difference in every life she touched."

Other people who knew Vicki Peterson also preferred Thursday to recall her vibrant years.

Jean Fowler of Colorado Springs, Colo., said she was "the most incredible person I've ever met."

Fowler said she befriended Peterson in the 1970s in Dallas and later worked for her as a "girl Friday" and a bookkeeper.

"She loved everyone," said Fowler, who recalled that Peterson was gracious and kind but also a "take-charge person" who could make things happen for the better.

Avary, 49, said she was very close with her half-sister despite the 22-year difference in their ages.

"She was kind of like a second mom to me," Avary recalled. "I idolized her growing up and tried to emulate her in every way."

A memorial service for Vicki Peterson, also known as Vicki Jamison-Peterson, is scheduled for 10:30 a.m. Saturday at World Outreach Church under the direction of Hayhurst Funeral Home in Broken Arrow.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article. ... spanc75101

No they should not.